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Marcus Seldon's avatar

It's funny, the broad thesis of Aella's post resonated with me but I agree with you her examples were ridiculous. I think the problematic ideals pushed by romance are closer to what you describe: expecting a long-term relationship to always be filled with passion and excitement, where the woman doesn't have to do any work to foster or maintain her attraction, and if that passion is missing, then it must be bad. The equivalent of the skinny, hairless nympho is a man who is deeply romantic and exciting at all times, yet also somehow stable and happy with domestic life, and never has romantic or sexual needs that the woman herself lacks.

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Thank you for this. Like you I come from an evangelical background, which perhaps adds a particular dimension here for me as a man.

I would like to think I was raised to understand that marriage requires emotional connection and "effort, dedication, paying close attention" - but in a linear, logical, "if...then..." way - IF i just put in enough work, THEN I would have a hot wife who fulfilled my dreams, sexual and otherwise.

It may seem like "entitlement", but from my perspective it was "earning." It wasn't that I saw emotional connection solely as a route to sex, but it was certainly framed in a "his needs/her needs" way and I thought I was ready to do my part.

And of course because we "saved ourselves" and put off sex into marriage, we struggled with the reality (body issues, effects of family dysfunction and poor role models, etc.), and it was a painfully difficult realization for me that I couldn't just work harder to "earn" the sex life I desired. Even the less toxic evangelical teachings on sex (Sheila Gregoire, etc.) carry a lot of these "if..then" assumptions than anyone can have a mutually satisfying sex life if both partners just put in enough of the right efforts. That messed me/us up for a long time.

So I guess what I'm saying is that I very much agree that relationships "require effort, dedication, paying close attention" etc.... but also that they require an openness to wherever that leads, and an acknowledgement that it may not be at all what you intended or hoped. I totally missed learning that second part.

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